tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post5874731225125814891..comments2023-09-21T08:53:42.554+01:00Comments on blethers: Magic in the Mass?Christine McIntoshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14198224025775398453noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-2742970661180359402011-12-03T15:29:44.792+00:002011-12-03T15:29:44.792+00:00I think the point (not my personal one) is that by...I think the point (not my personal one) is that by moving back to "chalice" and a way from "cup" they are moving to recover some of the mystery that was lost in the liturgical excesses post Vatican 2. Mince, frankly, as all you have to do is face east and follow the direction in Ritual notes and you has the mystery. Oh and avoid twee music like Margaret Rizza :-)fr dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06505160310703978020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-7728450701558012162011-12-01T23:37:22.305+00:002011-12-01T23:37:22.305+00:00Maybe - at a total guess - you're meant to thi...Maybe - at a total guess - you're meant to think "cup... the object that will become known as a chalice" and that timewarp will either take you back to the upper room or bring Christ forward now - bearing in mind that "to make Christ present" is the job of Communion?Timhttp://www.shinyphoto.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-724546961604294312011-12-01T23:23:32.788+00:002011-12-01T23:23:32.788+00:00Dougal, I know it's the Latin - or the Greek -...Dougal, I know it's the Latin - or the Greek - but I don't see the point of using a word with deliberately archaic and liturgical conntations in that context; it sticks out like the proverbial thumb.<br />Perpetua, I too came to explore Christianity as an adult, but was lucky enough to do it in the surroundings of the Episcopal church - and in a very special bit of it, here in Argyll.Christine McIntoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198224025775398453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-11250033315544462722011-12-01T21:38:59.029+00:002011-12-01T21:38:59.029+00:00I ended my reading of this smiling broadly, Christ...I ended my reading of this smiling broadly, Christine, as I know so exactly what you mean. When I was first exploring the Christian faith as an adult I went to our local RC church and found exactly what you describe and that was 35 years ago. Lovely people but it was all so banal and matter of fact. Mystery is at the heart of faith for me, otherwise God becomes too small.Perpetuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214396019726161983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-8978083396358385522011-12-01T20:26:10.983+00:002011-12-01T20:26:10.983+00:00The "chalice" is a literal rendering of ...The "chalice" is a literal rendering of the Latin of the Roman Canon: <br /><br />"Simili modo, postquam cenatum est, accipiens et hunc praeclarum calicem in sanctas ac venerabiles manus suas, item tibi gratias agens benedixit, deditque discipulis suis, dicens: Accipite et bibite ex eo omnes: hic est enim calix Sanguinis mei novi et aeterni testamenti, qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem peccatorum. Hoc facite in meam commemorationem"<br /><br />Liturgical back to the future?fr dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06505160310703978020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19191002.post-60923136612939701352011-12-01T11:25:53.261+00:002011-12-01T11:25:53.261+00:00I'm with you! I always think one of the most i...I'm with you! I always think one of the most important things missing in worship of all flavours is mystery. When we become too comfortable, too used to how it's done, that sense of wonder disappears. That can never be a good thing.Stewarthttp://stewartcutler.comnoreply@blogger.com